"Therasa" > wrote in message
...
> Why won't Kerry sign a form 180 releasing his records?

It will take an overwhelmingly vocal and visual public demand by a large
special interest group like the Swifties to force this issue, as Kerry
is fighting it tooth and nail. Even then it probably won't succeed in
getting Kerry to sign that form! He realizes full well what would happen
if he signed the 180 and the information in his records became public
domain and could then be used to both remove him from the Presidential
race AND remove him from the Senate.
The rub on this is that the information is already known, but can't be
released and used unless the form has been signed.

In other words, the American lawyers in the government have created and
passed a law that makes it possible for a known traitor to be elected
President of the United States because the information that would
provide the legal proof that he actually is a traitor can't be made
public because the traitor himself doesn't want the information
released.
Wonderful!!! Thank you American Lawyers!! What else can these assholes
do to ruin our country? God only knows, and perhaps we're about to find
out at that!!!!
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

"Vaughn" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Therasa" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Why won't Kerry sign a form 180 releasing his records?
>
> Why won't people stop posting political **** here?

I'll tell you why; because RAM has already been ruined and has been for
some time. You "regulars" would have been wise to listen to Tex Houston
when you still had the chance. Now, the time when the regulars could
have stopped this has long passed.
If you're on the Titanic and you're on your way to the bottom, you might
just as well reach out on the table and grab that one last drink!

Dudley Henriques
Entire career associated with military aviation
Retired Pilot
6 years posting on RAM
Tired of dealing with morons
Tired of dealing with idiots
Doesn't give a **** any more
How's that!

"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
...

Kerry as of today might be in a world of hurt after his going on
national television within 30 minutes of PM Allawi addressing a joint
session of congress to huge bipartisan applause and standing ovation at
times. This man has literally taken his life in his hands to step up to
the plate in Iraq.
Kerry presented a HUGE contrast to the mood that was displayed in
congress this morning. I am far from being a professional psychologist,
but I honestly believe that their is a limit for all American non
decided voters for Kerry's constant projection of negativity.
Today he might have crossed that line. There's a big problem for any
politician choosing to present the kind of national negativity that
Kerry represents as a constant in front of the American public. The
average American isn't stupid. They can be stubborn and
opinionated...but only a very few are REALLY stupid! Kerry either has
reached the point where more and more undecided voters are beginning to
lean away from his "message" (or lack of same as the case may be), or at
least are beginning to realize that if only a fraction of what's out
there about Kerry is true; he's not what he wants people to believe he
is.
I honestly believe that at this point, after his "performance" today,
Mr. Kerry can only do himself more and more harm as he appears in
public.
I believe all but the most extreme die hard leftists are slowly
filtering away from Kerry as more and more people are exposed to him.
In short, I believe that for the remainder of the election period, the
more Kerry appears in public the more danger there is out there for him.
I could be wrong, but I'll check back with you after the election to buy
you one if I am :-)
Anyway Ras.......hope I'm right anyway!!!
Dudley

Ed Rasimus wrote:

<rationally as usual>

>4.) Bush spent his first two years of ANG duty full time attending
>USAF pilot training, survival schools and operational qualification in
>the F-102. OOOOOOps. He was really flying jets and engaging in a
>rather risky business.

Apparently he drank and partied some, too. Can you imagine a
young fighter pilot doing such a thing ? I am stunned, I tell you.


>6.) He was granted by his commander approval to go off to Alabama
>during a period of huge pilot drawdowns and when his unit was
>converting to another mission and aircraft which he didn't have
>retainability to qualify in. OOOOOOOPPPPss. Is there nothing
>derogatory yet?
>
>7.) When he wasn't going to be flying he didn't take a flight
>physical. Why would he? OOOOOOOPPPPPPPs. Gosh, I wish I could find
>something here, Joe.

Apparently being caught in the wheels of administrative BS
utterly disqualifies one from ever being President.


>8.) While detached to a unit in transition between aircraft (neither
>of which Bush flew) and which the unit itself had not yet received so
>there was little activity, some people in the Guard unit (which only
>would show up once or twice a month) didn't see another guy who only
>showed up once or twice a month. How uncanny that those hours of
>attendance didn't coincide? Still nothing.


8a. I think somewhere in there he missed some drills and made them up
at a later time, getting the points he required to check the box for
that year's worth of drill time. Making up a drill at a later date was
apparently legal then, as it is for ARNG today.

>it's the "true" story that can't be validated without the
>forgery that's important.

Clear as mud.

"Dudley Henriques" wrote:

>Kerry as of today might be in a world of hurt after his going on
>national television within 30 minutes of PM Allawi addressing a joint
>session of congress to huge bipartisan applause and standing ovation at
>times. This man has literally taken his life in his hands to step up to
>the plate in Iraq.

I have to check CSPAN tonight, apparently Allawi and Lieberman
were embracing each other warmly, and kissing each other as is the
common Eastern custom among friends. Certainly quite a moment for the
Arab Street.

I agree, JFK should have waited a day before addressing any of
this. Appearing reactive is not a help to him.

>Kerry presented a HUGE contrast to the mood that was displayed in
>congress this morning. I am far from being a professional psychologist,
>but I honestly believe that their is a limit for all American non
>decided voters for Kerry's constant projection of negativity.

Key also because it's an unconscious reaction, and therefore
highly persuasive to the individual. Frowns and furrowed brows are
more potent than people think.

(John S. Shinal)
>Date: 9/23/2004 2:17 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Ed Rasimus wrote:
>
> <rationally as usual>
>
>>4.) Bush spent his first two years of ANG duty full time attending
>>USAF pilot training, survival schools and operational qualification in
>>the F-102. OOOOOOps. He was really flying jets and engaging in a
>>rather risky business.
>
> Apparently he drank and partied some, too. Can you imagine a
>young fighter pilot doing such a thing ? I am stunned, I tell you.

Hey, don't start rumours like that. All fighter pilots are modest, chaste,
sober..... etc.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
> (John S. Shinal)
>>Date: 9/23/2004 2:17 PM Central Daylight Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>Ed Rasimus wrote:
>>
>> <rationally as usual>
>>
>>>4.) Bush spent his first two years of ANG duty full time attending
>>>USAF pilot training, survival schools and operational qualification
>>>in
>>>the F-102. OOOOOOps. He was really flying jets and engaging in a
>>>rather risky business.
>>
>> Apparently he drank and partied some, too. Can you imagine a
>>young fighter pilot doing such a thing ? I am stunned, I tell you.
>
> Hey, don't start rumours like that. All fighter pilots are modest,
> chaste,
> sober..... etc.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

What amazes ME is that the extreme left apparently doesn't know much
about fighters either!!
If I was looking for a nice cushy safe non dangerous type airplane to
fly to avoid getting myself hurt because I was a flaming coward, the
Deuce would be the LAST fighter in the inventory I'd be happy to be
paired up with. Bush did a good job in the 102; not the easiest of
mounts for a young Lt to handle. The President is a member of a very
exclusive club of fighter pilots who got REAL up on subjects like
induced drag in turns and adverse yaw. Not to say the 102 was a killer,
but it DID take an above average driver to work the airplane properly,
and Bush is still here last time I looked !!!:-)
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

Dudley Henriques wrote:

>Kerry as of today might be in a world of hurt after his going on
>national television within 30 minutes of PM Allawi addressing a joint
>session of congress to huge bipartisan applause and standing ovation at
>times.

Kerry sounded to me like someone who *wants* things in Iraq to be as bad as
they can. I'm not sure this message will be received well by anyone to the
right of Kerry on the political spectrum.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

retrogrouch wrote:

>Silly boy, who's Commander in Chief?

The title of CinC does not entitle you to circumvent the law.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"BUFDRVR" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>
>>Kerry as of today might be in a world of hurt after his going on
>>national television within 30 minutes of PM Allawi addressing a joint
>>session of congress to huge bipartisan applause and standing ovation
>>at
>>times.
>
> Kerry sounded to me like someone who *wants* things in Iraq to be as
> bad as
> they can. I'm not sure this message will be received well by anyone to
> the
> right of Kerry on the political spectrum.
>
>
> BUFDRVR

I agree. There exists a point with human nature involved when dealing
with large audiences when constant negative projection begins to lose
people, and I think Kerry is crossing this threshold now. He's
overexposed his negatives and from here on in to the election, I believe
that he'll lose voters every time he appears in public.
Bottom line from the cockpit anyway :-) is that in my opinion anyway for
all the hell THAT is worth......Kerry's committed the ultimate sin in
ACM and in politics; he's become predictable.....and predictable to a
vast audience means anticipating the negative position from Kerry on
EVERY issue, and because his negative position doesn't change, and gives
nothing to the other side, the truth in the constant drumming of his
position becomes naturally suspect as a result of sheer human
nature...and THAT can be fatal in a political campaign.

It's a HUGE flaw for those who would press constant positions giving
nothing positive at all to the opposition. The average Joe out there
isn't stupid. All but the most hard core know instinctively that no
political side is totally right or wrong....ALL the time!
Kerry's in trouble. The average Joe is beginning to catch on to his gig.
I can feel it in my bones!! :-))
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

Therasa wrote:
>Despite the facts, the Kerry and DNC smear machine will continue to tilt
>toward windmills. That is why Kerry will lose. They lie too much and people
>know it.
>

Nope, it is all a setup.
Kerry is really a sacraficial lamb. He wages the fight against the incumbent
Bush, sets Bush up to win. Then in 2008 a new Republican candidate is up
against Hillary (who has four years to clean up her act). If Kerry were to win
in 2004, then Hillary wouldn't be in line to run in 2008 and in 2012 she would
be too old.

Damn!
Rick Clark

In article . net>,
"Dudley Henriques" > writes:
>
> "B2431" > wrote in message
> ...
>> (John S. Shinal)
>>>Date: 9/23/2004 2:17 PM Central Daylight Time
>>>Message-id: >
>>>
>>>Ed Rasimus wrote:
>>>
>>> <rationally as usual>
>>>
>>>>4.) Bush spent his first two years of ANG duty full time attending
>>>>USAF pilot training, survival schools and operational qualification
>>>>in
>>>>the F-102. OOOOOOps. He was really flying jets and engaging in a
>>>>rather risky business.
>>>
>>> Apparently he drank and partied some, too. Can you imagine a
>>>young fighter pilot doing such a thing ? I am stunned, I tell you.
>>
>> Hey, don't start rumours like that. All fighter pilots are modest,
>> chaste,
>> sober..... etc.
>>
>> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>
> What amazes ME is that the extreme left apparently doesn't know much
> about fighters either!!
> If I was looking for a nice cushy safe non dangerous type airplane to
> fly to avoid getting myself hurt because I was a flaming coward, the
> Deuce would be the LAST fighter in the inventory I'd be happy to be
> paired up with. Bush did a good job in the 102; not the easiest of
> mounts for a young Lt to handle. The President is a member of a very
> exclusive club of fighter pilots who got REAL up on subjects like
> induced drag in turns and adverse yaw. Not to say the 102 was a killer,
> but it DID take an above average driver to work the airplane properly,
> and Bush is still here last time I looked !!!:-)

Just so, Dudley. If he were looking for a really cushy spot, there
were several Air National Guard Air Transport Squadrons in the region
at the time. The 181st ARefS in Texas was flying KC-97L Tankers, the 151st
MAS in Tennesee was flying C-97Gs as transports, The 105th MAS in
Tenessee was flying C-124s, as were the 125th MAS and 185th MAS in
Oklahoma, the 128th MAS and 158th MAS in Georgia, and the 183rd MAS in
Mississippi. If you wanted a cushy, no risk job, getting into one of
those units and raising and lowering the gear from the right seat
while watching the Flight Engineer twiddle the throttles as you get up
to stretch your legs seems like it. With the crew complements on
those beasts, nobody'd know if you were there or not.

(Note for the humor impaired: This is not intended in any way to
denigrate the job of the Load Warriors, or to make light of their
jobs. The ANG and Air Force Reserve transport units have been
important parts of out military air transportation system since the
early 1960s, flying important stuff anyplace the Active COmpnent has
flown. But that said, other than the slight but non-zero chance of
being attacked by a ravenous mob of cannibals (It happened in the
Congo in 1965), there wasn't much of a chance to get hurt. )


--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

wrote in
:

> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:44:09 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
> wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> Bush has released "all his records" about four times now. Each time
>>> with new things. And the last couple times on Court orders.
>>>
>>> And he still managed to find new documents to release in reply to
>>> the CBS story.
>>>
>>
>>Bush released all his records just once. Once is all that anyone can
>>do.
>
>
> Which is why by the fourth time it's transparently ridiculous for you
> to be claiming such nonsense.
>
> For a latest example:
> Whitehouse may release more military records
> The Washington Post ^ | 16 Sep 2004 | Michael Dobbs
>
> Posted on 09/15/2004 10:17:11 PM PDT by Racehorse
>
> In a related development, White House press secretary Scott McClellan
> hinted that more documents regarding Bush's National Guard service may
> soon be released. Asked whether officials in the White House have seen
> unreleased documents, McClellan called that "a very real possibility."
> Other officials with knowledge of the situation said more documents
> had indeed been uncovered and would be released in the coming days.
>
> (Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1217483/posts
>
> Or a Feb. 11 2002 release:
> http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2004/02/11/white
> _house_releases_bushs_guard_records/
>
> Or how about a Feb. 2004 release?
> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/13/230302.shtml
>
> Beginning to see how silly this is?
>
> You'd also do well to read up on the AP litigation over his records.
>
> First DOD claimed they could not find anymore records. Then the AP
> informed the Court of the type of documents that should have been part
> of the file and where they were supposed to be kept. Then the DOD
> claimed they couldn't produce them all until after the election it was
> just too much work. Then the court said this was unacceptable. Then
> DOD claimed the records requested were destroyed by accident. And
> then the records started coming out. Go figure.
>
> - - - -
> Just another albino black sheep
>

OK,here's what's happening;Bush signed the Form 180 (or whatever form
number it is),and then the USN went to work to release the records,but due
to the time passed,did not immediately find all of them.They release
anything they find as they are discovered.
Remember we're dealing with the military bureaucracy here,folks.Back when
records were PAPER or fiche,not computerized.

OTOH,Kerry refuses to sign the Form 180 for full release at all,merely
releasing what he wants to,*edited by his people*.
That's just as bad as CBS's forged documents.

Perhaps Kerry's witholding what could torpedo his campaign,and maybe even
his government career.

Only Kerry's signing the Form 180 will suffice.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

"BUFDRVR" > wrote in message
...
>
> The title of CinC does not entitle you to circumvent the law.
>

It did for the previous holder of that title.

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in
:

>
> "Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
> ...
>
><snip extremely well done common sense response from Ed>
>
>> Why don't you guys get it? So, the forged documents aren't the
>> issue---it's the "true" story that can't be validated without the
>> forgery that's important.
>
> I don't know, Ed--according to the DNC the real issue *is* the forged
> documents. Terry McAuliffe has now gone on the record claiming that
> the forgeries are *really* the work of a nefarious Republican dirty
> tricks artist trying to besmirch the saintly name of the DNC and its
> candidate. Which would of course be a double-rebound plot on a level
> with the very best that Roger Ludlum or LeCarre could have come up
> with...
>
> The DNC is apparently cracking under the strain; no doubt the next
> breathless refrain we'll hear from Terry will be a sputtering
> denunciation of the VRWC (Vast Right Wing Conspiracy), as they try to
> again explain how and what Joe Lockhart was doing talking to Burkett
> after being asked to call him by CBS producer Mapes...amybe this time
> with a more realistic explanation than the laughable one offered to
> date.
>
> Brooks

Hey,if the DemocRATs are that stupid to accept those obviously forged
documents,ignoring several experts,then they do not DESERVE to be in
control of the US of A.



--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

"BUFDRVR" > wrote in message
...
>
> Kerry sounded to me like someone who *wants* things in Iraq to be as bad
> as
> they can. I'm not sure this message will be received well by anyone to the
> right of Kerry on the political spectrum.
>

Gee, let's see, to the right of Kerry would be........ an overwhelming
majority of American voters.

"OXMORON1" > wrote in message
...
>
> Nope, it is all a setup.
> Kerry is really a sacraficial lamb. He wages the fight against the
> incumbent
> Bush, sets Bush up to win. Then in 2008 a new Republican candidate is up
> against Hillary (who has four years to clean up her act). If Kerry were to
> win
> in 2004, then Hillary wouldn't be in line to run in 2008 and in 2012 she
> would
> be too old.
>

Of course, before the 2008 election we'll have the 2006 election, where
Hillary will be up for reelection in the Senate. Who will run against her?
Recall that in 2000 Rudi Guilani was running for that seat before he was
diagnosed with cancer and withdrew. What if he decides to run again in
2006? He'd be a formidable opponent for Hillary. Will she be a viable
presidential candidate in 2008 if she's defeated in 2006?

I meant to post this responsive message only in us.military.history and failed
to notice that it had been cross-posted to rec.aviation.military among other
NGs. I apologize for adding my comments on an obvious OT thread to the existing
clutter on the subject. Sorry.

Hal Hanig wrote:

> Charlie Tuna wrote:
>
>>Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Nope. He never signed a form 180.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes he did.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Face it if this was Clinton pulling this sort of BS you'd be having
>>>>hemorrhoids from the strain.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Clinton had no military records to release as he left the country to avoid
>>>military service entirely.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>A little thing called a 'Roads Scholarship' and the number of US
>>students that are offered one per year was (or still is) under 2 dozen
>>so accepting the offer got him a student deferment which was quite legal
>>and proper way of staying out of the war for at lest 4 years, longer if
>>you do post grad work. So don't pull that crap of him leaving the
>>country to 'dodge the draft'
>
>
> Just to avoid confusion, I think you were referring to a Rhodes Scholarship.
>
>


No, I think he got it right. Clinton sure hit the "Road" to Great
Britain to protest, and then came back here to a college deferrment,
being the draft dodger he is.

"Hal Hanig" > wrote in message
...
>I meant to post this responsive message only in us.military.history and
>failed to notice that it had been cross-posted to rec.aviation.military
>among other NGs. I apologize for adding my comments on an obvious OT
>thread to the existing clutter on the subject. Sorry.

Geeze, I wish you'd decide on one personna and stick to it. Or are you going
to reserve your "George Z Bush" identity for the off-topic posts like the
one you are decrying here?

Brooks
>
>

Peter wrote:
>(Note for the humor impaired: This is not intended in any way to
>denigrate the job of the Load Warriors, or to make light of their
>jobs.

Snippage:

>flown. But that said, other than the slight but non-zero chance of
>being attacked by a ravenous mob of cannibals (It happened in the
>Congo in 1965), there wasn't much of a chance to get hurt. )
>
It is obvious that you have never had a flight lunch from the services at Wake
Island...Can be terminal

It is obvious that you never spent the night in Panama and left the hotel for
sight seeing..Can be really dangerous

It is painfully obvious that you have never had an encounter with the customs
people at Hawaii..Can be expensive

It is embarrassingly apparent that you have never had the loadmaster discover
400 miles off Florida that the avacados on board can't cross the coast...look
out fishing boats..avacados awayyyy!

But your assessment is pretty much on target.

Rick Clark

Steven wrote concerning Hillary:
>Will she be a viable
>presidential candidate in 2008 if she's defeated in 2006?
>

That broad is extremely lucky. She can fall into a septic tank, come up with a
bunch of roses and convince the world that some Republican pushed her in and
that Slick Wille sent her the roses.

Rick

Joe Mamma > wrote in message >...

> >Nobody had to go to court to get Bush's records. He released them.
> >
> Then this sure was a waste of time:
>
> http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?article=44097
>
> Why did that happen?

Because some people think the DoD is withholding docs despite
being order by the President to release. Given the DoD can't
even keep "secret" things secret, it seems extremely unlikely
that they would conspire with parties unknown to deliberately
withhold documents that Bush had ordered released.

The scenario they're (liberal kooks in this case) imaging
is this: The President, their boss, the big kahuna, orders
them to locate and release all relevant documents pertaining
to his military service. But, via some occult side-channel,
they're told not to look too hard etc. Well, alas to the person in
the middle! In real life, all sorts of alarm bells would sound
and red lights would flash, and there'd be leaking to the press
galore etc.

What really happens is stuff like this: that the official
retention period for some records passed long ago.
They're not found under Bush or any other likely heading.
They're presumed destroyed in accordance with policy.
Later, when rearranging things or cleaning, some drips and
drabs of said files are located under Tree or Shrub etc. etc.

But to the conspiratorial-minded this is implausible, of
course! There must be a conspiracy. ;-) So in addition to
the President ordering the docs to be released, we'll get
some judge to order the DoD to look again.

It's kind of amusing, actually.

Speaking of documents, tho, why can't Kerry release all his
military records? I know he's an honest and honorable person.
I'm sure he doesn't have anything he wants to hide. He's
a war hero after all. So what's the big idea not releasing
all his service records? He is running for President.
Seems relevant, especially since he's made an issue of
his heroism and capscity to lead .... I'm surprised CBS
hasn't looked into this.

wd

In article >,
(OXMORON1) writes:
> Peter wrote:
>>(Note for the humor impaired: This is not intended in any way to
>>denigrate the job of the Load Warriors, or to make light of their
>>jobs.
>
> Snippage:
>
>>flown. But that said, other than the slight but non-zero chance of
>>being attacked by a ravenous mob of cannibals (It happened in the
>>Congo in 1965), there wasn't much of a chance to get hurt. )
>>
> It is obvious that you have never had a flight lunch from the services at Wake
> Island...Can be terminal

Not Wake, no...
Those were flight lunches? I thought they were bait, and yo were
supposed to use it to lure your lunch up from the bilges.

> It is obvious that you never spent the night in Panama and left the hotel for
> sight seeing..Can be really dangerous

Nope. Nor have I decided to explore the suburbs of Angeles City, back
before Mt. Pinatubo chipped in its contribution to the destruction of
the Ozone Layer. There was a night in Bahrein, though, adn another in
Cameroon.

> It is painfully obvious that you have never had an encounter with the customs
> people at Hawaii..Can be expensive

That's Custom's Job, after all.

> It is embarrassingly apparent that you have never had the loadmaster discover
> 400 miles off Florida that the avacados on board can't cross the coast...look
> out fishing boats..avacados awayyyy!

Nope. But I have heard about the Soviets that tried to smaggle a cow
into Cuba. (It seems that fresh milk's hard to get, there). The
critter broke loose in thehold of their An-12, and even the Best
Soviet Ironmongery wasn't holding up too good. So, the Loadmasterski
managed to get the ramp open, and the Cattle Drivers up at the head
end managed to get the critter to stampede in an aftward direction.
A cow, btw, Is Not a Creature of the Air - they don't so much fly as
plummet.

> But your assessment is pretty much on target.
Note that most of the Dangers of Air Transport stories come from
either the Cargo or the Destinations, and not the airplane itself.

It's not that it wasn't an important job. but it's a much more
comfortable ride pushing a Stratofreighter (generally referred to as a
Cadillac by the many-motor types) with more room in the hold than my
first 3 apartments, and its own coffee pots, than it is to get
strapped into a Weber ejection seat in a way that some folks in San
Francisco pay extra for, in order to get your flight pay.

(Note that National Guard transport drivers could end up in the most
unlikely places - Many of the relief/refugee flights by the Red Cross
and other NGOs into Biafra and other African Garden Spots was by
leased ANG airplanes (Notably C-97s) and crews that were allowed to
"volunteer to be hired". That's tough, grinding work, with a non-zero
probability of getting shot at, with the added fun of "The Secretary
will disavow all knowledge...")

--
Pete Stickney
A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many
bad measures. -- Daniel Webster

Ian MacLure wrote:

> Not technically AWOL but there is a question ( a real
> one not some fraud manufactured by a lunatic ) regarding
> whether he actually completed his Reserve obligation.
>
>
>>You seem obsessed, for some reason, with that acronym.
>
>
> Wonder if he knows what the term means.

As we would say in Texas:
AWOL: "And W wOn 'Lection"